Countdown To Unity

The irony of the heavy-handed (yet, admit it, sort of brilliant) symbolism of holding Friday's Obama/Clinton event in Unity, NH, a town where the two literally won an equal number of votes in January, is that we Democrats are doing just fine in the unity department.

But hell, this certainly can't hurt:

No one cared much about Unity -- the town or the ideal -- back when more than a dozen candidates were competing in the New Hampshire primary. [...]

That will change on Friday, when former rivals Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton campaign together for the first time since he won enough delegates to secure the Democratic presidential nomination. As they try to ease tensions and bring their party together, they are seizing upon both the town's symbolism and symmetry -- each received 107 Democratic votes in Unity on Jan. 8, plus one write-in vote apiece from Republicans.

Friday's rally will be held outside the Unity Elementary School, where Principal Chip Baldwin first thought the Obama staffer who showed up last week was just another photocopier salesmen.

It's no coincidence, of course, that this week was also the first peep we've heard from Bill Clinton about his support for Barack Obama. One suspects, though, that in time it will become more effusive than this one-line statement he released through a spokesman:

"President Clinton is obviously committed to doing whatever he can and is asked to do to ensure Senator Obama is the next president of the United States," McKenna said.



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Time been announced yet? (none / 0)

Will they still go to Unity if it means playing hooky on the wiretapping battle?




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by benmasel on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 04:57:53 PM EST

Re: Time been announced yet? (none / 0)

Ben, I can't find any dates on when the Senate is supposed to vote on it, though some news reports said last Friday it would be sometime later this week. The rally is Friday.
Do you know when the Senate is actually voting on this bill?
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:29:29 PM EST
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Not clear. (none / 0)

Feingold's trying to stretch it through the recess.




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:10:48 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

Coming from someone who has never been the biggest Clinton fan (I know, I'm wrong, just something always stuck with me), Obama really needs to give the big dog some love, bring him into the mix.


by Dog Chains on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 04:58:24 PM EST

Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

With my meager accomplishments in life, compared to that of Bill Clinton's, I would not have the fortitude that is exemplified by Bill, to come out in such vocal support.  
I'm proud of my support for the Clintons.  This is another example of why I am.
Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:03:22 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

Haha, that was a good one. I almost fell for it.


by MNPundit on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:09:37 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

English, please.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:21:42 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (1.50 / 2)

Denny, stop disrespecting Bill by thinking for him.

First of all Bill loves the party and our ideals, you have spent the last 6 months smearing the Democratic party on this site.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:24:44 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

Please document one smear I have made of the Democratic Party!  In the meantime, you smear me.  Troll rated for doing so!


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:29:33 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

It kind of did sound like a joke, "such vocal support" compared to a one liner by Bill.  I speak English and I understood what the poster repsponding to you meant, I don't think he was being critical.


by KLRinLA on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:55:38 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/24 /bill-clinton-committed-to_n_108896.html

"President Clinton is obviously committed to doing whatever he can and is asked to do to ensure Senator Obama is the next president of the United States."

I find this to be substantial support.  I remember what was said about the most successful Dem president by his opponents on the other side of the same aisle.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 07:00:07 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

Eh; "most successful Dem predsident ...in a generation..."


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 07:03:42 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

I know, I am not getting into primary war with you, I was just saying it is a little funny if you meant it as a joke. Obviously it wasn't, fine.


by KLRinLA on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 07:07:02 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (2.00 / 1)

Cool.  But really, me say anything bad about the Clintons?  You haven't been paying attention to my diaries or comments; not that you're supposed to.  :)


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 07:24:45 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

Oh, I know you love the Clinton's,  I do too, (though admittedly I've had my fights with them).


by KLRinLA on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 07:42:34 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

bring him into the mix? hell he trashed bubba at the expense of reagan, my god, you run down the man's presidency then you want to give him some bamboozle bullshit love?

you folks are completely hopeless


by blackflag on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:24:05 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (1.75 / 4)

No it looks like you are the only one who is hopeless, Bill and Hillary have moved on from the tough primary  battle and are joining forces to fight BushIII, with or without your pathetic ass, fool!


by KLRinLA on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:57:37 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

Agreed.  He did trash Bill- and it was graceless.  Nuff said.


by easyE on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 10:20:20 AM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

It would have been nice if this were set in Ohio instead.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:02:29 PM EST

Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

No, NH is good. It is a swing state.
And if Gore had won NH he would have been president.
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by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:13:59 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (2.00 / 1)

Obama needs to show 'love' to the big man. This whole campaign has affected him more I think than Hillary. He has taken it personally.

They need to sit down together and talk this out. Obama needs Bill in OH/PA/MI doing work for him.


by Makey on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:06:58 PM EST

What Bill and Barack need (2.00 / 2)

Is some serious male bonding. I propose at least a fifth of Chevas, consumed while shooting pool. The combination is absolutely irresistible to anything with a Y chromosome, and the night would fall into very clearly-defined stages:

Stage 1: Recrimination
Typical Dialog: "Screw you!" "Screw you back!"

Stage 2: Communication
Typical Dialog: "Man...I was freakin hurt" "Hey..hey, you know it was just business, bro"

Stage 3: Admiration
Typical Dialog: "LOL, I gotta admit, it was sweet that one time..." "HA! But what about when you..."

Stage 4: Identification
Typical Dialog: "You DA MAN, B!" "No, it's all you Billeeee!! all YOU!".

Stage 5: Wife Pickup
Typical Dialog: unintelligible at this point

Then of course it's all alcohol poisoning and retching, but the healing would have begun.


by Neef on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:35:14 PM EST
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Re: What Bill and Barack need (2.00 / 2)

Male Bonding?
oooh I could go on all night.

I know I am a dork but I would love to see them criss cross the country on Harley motorcycles stumping at cliche biker bars.

Or even better maybe some whitewater rafting, would make a great promo photo for unity.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:39:14 PM EST
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Re: What Bill and Barack need (none / 0)

Bill Clinton is grudgingly suporting Obama. He doesn't really have a choice, because if he ddidnt campaign for Obama, the Obamabots and bonehead activist would scream "Racist" and "Traitor". When you get past the words of hope and change there is nothing inspiring about Obama. Its really ironic but Gore and Kerry would have madwe much better Presidents in comparison. Oh well, Jimmy Carter Redux 2008, I guess.


by bsavage on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:39:30 PM EST
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Re: What Bill and Barack need (none / 0)

Wow, you fit a lot of GOP talking points into that one, you must be out of breath.  I personally don't think Billy C gives two shits about "Obamabots", I think he cares about the country and is doing the right thing.  Carter was beaten by political gaming/ Reagan's gun deals with Iran for Hostages, remember? Oh wait your bosses probably blocked that part out of the manual


by KLRinLA on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 07:03:11 PM EST
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I agree, but... (2.00 / 1)

certainly Hillary Clinton deserves her own event and to have it before Bill Clinton's.

or, even if it is not a matter of "deserves," it is better to get two media events than one.


New Jersey politics and news
by John DE on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:11:11 PM EST
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um... (none / 0)

that wasn't obvious to me at all, was it obvious to everybody else?


by neutron on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:17:33 PM EST

I can't wait (2.00 / 3)

For the Bill endorsement speech.

I think it will trump Hillary's, Gore's, Edwards, and even Richardson.

Regardless of what petty pundits and bloggers try to develop in our twisted bubbles, AMERICA and the WORLD love Bill Clinton.

To think otherwise makes you as bright as a RP-voter.

Obama and the DNC can't wait to put the finger wagging powerhouse on the stage, and I can't either.

I was born in 1979 and had the joy to "come of age" just as the Republicans finally got rejected as the antiquated party after the 12 year failure of Regan/Bush.

Bill took my preconceived notion that America was defined by it's past (slavery, genocide, racism, war) and smashed it to bits.
With Bill I experienced my first sense of patriotism and my first glimpse of hope.

Who better for me to endorse and stump for Obama than Bill Clinton.

Obama is going to be sworn in next January.
He has some big shoes to fill and I think he will fill them fine.

Godspeed Bill!


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:30:01 PM EST

Re: I can't wait (2.00 / 1)

Do you know when he will give it?


by Makey on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:32:02 PM EST
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Re: I can't wait (2.00 / 1)

Makey, is that Snark?

Im a blogger, not an insider :)
Of course I don't know when, I just know he will.

And let me add some more fluff to this Dem lovefest.

I would love to see Gore and Clinton together in the same room and on the same stage stumping for Obama and our party.

I still grind my teeth over that nonsense fear and even hubris that plagued Gore's campaign when they kept Clinton at arm's length.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:53:59 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (2.00 / 1)

Seems like Democrat presidents don't really like one another. Carter doesn't care for Clinton, and while Bill will work for Obama's campaign (though with some of Bill's misspeaks in the primary I think just having his support behind the scenes would be best), I don't think he cares for Obama.

Too many alpha dogs I guess.


by notedgeways on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:30:55 PM EST

Carter is no alpha dog (none / 0)

and the reason Bill Clinton hates him is because in 1980, after the Mariel Boatlift from Cuba, Carter sent all the Cubans, or a huge amount to Arkansas, costing Bill Clinton re-election, altho he came back in 1982. If he had won re-election in 1980, perhaps he could have run in 1988 and taken Bush out in 1988, effectively stopping Hitler at Munich because he'd have more experience. Carter in turn doesn't like Bill Clinton because he is jealous Bill Clinton got re-elected in a semi-landslide, and he lost re-election in a landslide. Also, Clinton got elected in 1992 by repudiating the "old Democratic Party" of which Carter was implicitly a part. Now that Obama has thrown Carter under the bus, by coming back to McCain's "Carter second term" by comparing BUSH's term to the 1970's, a clear jab at Obama, I'll bet Carter finds a problem with him. Bill will probably hold a grudge, but who knows, as in the end, he became friends with George HW Bush, whose campaign worked hard to smear him in 1992. Maybe he'll hit it off with Obama. We'll wait and see.


by Lakrosse on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:46:22 PM EST
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Re: Carter is no alpha dog (none / 0)

When you are the president, you become an Alpha Dog. So yeah I tend to think of Carter like that as well.

Interesting that Clinton is able to be chummy with HWB but not Carter.

You provide some interesting information (didn't know about the Cuban influx to AR), but a lot of the rest is supposition. Hard to accurately ascribe motives unless you know the person directly.


by notedgeways on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:57:28 PM EST
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Hopefully this and other events with Hillary... (none / 0)

...help to maintain the double digit leads we are starting to see courtesy of Newsweek and now LA Times/Bloomberg.


by conspiracy on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:34:56 PM EST

Re: Hopefully this and other events with Hillary.. (none / 0)

LA Times poll shows only 11% of Clinton supporters are voting McCain. I bet this will drop by half in the next few months.


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by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:44:05 PM EST
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Re: Hopefully this and other events with Hillary.. (none / 0)

Only to increase back to 22% when they realize Hillary is getting stiffed the VP slot.


by dtaylor2 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:47:26 PM EST
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Re: Hopefully this and other events with Hillary.. (none / 0)

How is it that you and 15 other PUMA freaks will be polled that MUCH?


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:59:39 PM EST
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Re: Hopefully this and other events with Hillary.. (2.00 / 2)

Katha Pollitt nailed it this week:

Are there feminist Hillary supporters who hate Obama so much they'll vote for McCain just to show the Democratic Party how ticked off they are? Yes, and I get e-mails from all five of them. Seriously, I'm sure there are female Hillary Clinton voters who will go for John McCain in the general election, but I don't think too many of them will be feminists. Because to vote for McCain, a feminist would have to be insane. Let me rephrase that: she would have to believe that the chief--indeed the only--goal of the women's movement is to elect Clinton, not to promote women's rights. A vote for McCain would be the ultimate face-spiting nose-cutoff. Take that, women's equality!

Looking at McCain's record, Pollitt says:

How antichoice is John McCain? Let's leave the psychological tea leaves out of it and look at his record. In his four years in the House, from 1983 to 1986, he cast eleven votes on reproductive issues. Ten were antichoice. Of 119 such votes in the Senate, 115 were antichoice, including votes for the ban on so-called partial-birth abortions and for the "gag rule," which refuses funds to clinics abroad that so much as mention abortion. In 1999, the year he said he opposed repeal of Roe on health grounds, he voted against a bill that would have permitted servicewomen overseas, where safe, legal abortion is often unavailable, to pay out of their own pockets for abortions in military hospitals.

His record on contraception and sex education is just as bad. He voted against a 2005 budget amendment, sponsored by Senator Hillary Clinton, that would have allotted $100 million to reduce teen pregnancy by means of education and birth control. He voted to require parental consent for birth control for teenage girls and to abolish Title X, which funds birth control and gynecological care for the poor.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080707/po llitt


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by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:03:46 PM EST
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Re: Hopefully this and other events with Hillary.. (2.00 / 1)

Excellent post, PM.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:10:05 PM EST
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Re: Hopefully this and other events with Hillary.. (2.00 / 2)

Seconded.


by conspiracy on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:17:03 PM EST
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Re: Hopefully this and other events with Hillary.. (2.00 / 1)

Send that Pollitt piece to any choice voter you know who is even considering not voting for Obama.  There's more great material in the full article.


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by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:25:45 PM EST
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"Stiffed?" You sexist swine. (none / 0)




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:16:14 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (1.40 / 5)

I thought Bill Clinton was a race baiter.

Now Obama wants the race baiter vote???


by Juno on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:09:16 PM EST

Re: Countdown To Unity (2.00 / 1)

The fact that Bill has announced his support and willingness to campaign for Obama demonstrates what an asset he is to the Democratic Party.  Some may have forgotten this during the primaries.  Glad to see they now recognize the value he brings to the party and to the Dem Pres. nominee.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:21:25 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

Yes.

Purely a coincidence that his alleged race baiting no longer bothers Obama supporters, that he's no longer a loose cannon, and Obamans are welcoming him with open arms now that the primary is over!

Notice the 3 1s my post got?  So now it's offensive to note that Obama's camp accused him of race baiting!

And to think, I got bashed by Obama supporters back then when it was so IN to accuse the Clintons of race baiting!

Yeah, Obama's a new kind of candidate.

(Rolls eyes).


by Juno on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:43:07 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

Juno, do you ever have anything to add other than sarcastic, condescending criticism of others?  Changing up the routine doesn't mean you have to give up your monopoly on grumpsterism.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:48:54 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

I'm providing a valuable service.

Do feel free, though, to explain why Obama supporters are now embracing someone they were horrified by and called a race baiter.

I mean, they were, gasp, bogus, gasp, politically oriented accusations, were they??!!!


by Juno on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:52:44 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

I guess you'd have to show me a particular individual accusing him of race-baiting and contrast that with that person's new support for him.  I'm not going to descend into your pit of vague accusations about what "they" did or didn't do.  The fact is that in the heat of battle, many things are interpreted in different ways; that doesn't mean that it's cold political opportunism at work.  Surely one as sophisticated as yourself should know that.  Unless, of course, you truly think that half of your fellow Democrats are as conniving as you suggest.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 07:26:06 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

Yes, I think the charges of race baiting were conniving AND political.

and repugnant.

And btw, I didn't see ONE Obama supporter on any blog refute the charges.  They ran with them.

It was a political tactic, and to now have to stomach their re-found love of Bill Clinton...sorry.   It's just more evidence to me that the whole Obama thing is a fraud and a house of cards and is not only nothing new, it's more of the same old REPUBLICAN politics.


by Juno on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 07:29:20 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

I see, so now your response is to resort to attacks on new and different unnamed people.  Are you actually capable of arguing specifics or is your entire schtick based on vague generalities?


by rfahey22 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:07:03 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

Eh.  I'm a (former) Hillary supporter.  Got my A$$ kicked on this site toward the end of the primaries.  


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:51:08 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

For sure.

The Inspired Ones aren't quite as inspired and full of hope and change as they seem to think.

I feel as I did in the past debating Republicans!

'Nuff said about any supposed change.


by Juno on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:53:45 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

I'm sure you were quite convincing in those debates with your air of superiority and all.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 07:27:16 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

And this sort of post refutes my contention how, please?


by Juno on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 07:37:57 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

Because you don't actually engage in arguments.  All you do is make appeals to authority and/or dredge up strawmen.  Shouting is not an argumentative technique.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:03:44 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (1.00 / 3)

You know the Obama camp came up with this location because its so boneheaded: Kerry won NH in 2004.  It not a swing state.  It should have been held in PA, OH.

Hell what do I care...........Fuck Unity!


by bsavage on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:13:52 PM EST

Re: Countdown To Unity (1.66 / 3)

If you don't support the Clintons, Obama or the Demomcratic party then why are you here?

And while we are examining the logic do you really think the Unity speech win us Ohio just if it was held there?

We live a world with stuff called the TV, the Internets, and this crazy new thing called the newspaper.

By your logic the only way for Obama to win is to go door to door 250 million times.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:17:46 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

I supported Clinton in the primary and No I'm not voting for Obama. Obama is a idiot on foreign policy issues and I dont support his policy on reaschiong out to our enemies. I dont need your advice and your philosophical questioning. As Obama says: "Get Over It". I'm not voting for a Dem for Pres at least.


by bsavage on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:21:44 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (1.33 / 3)

4419 Americans dead in Iraq so far http://icasualties.org/oif/

Guess you prefer a foreign policy that will make more come home in coffins or with missing limbs or traumatic brain injuries.


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by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:27:34 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (1.25 / 4)

I dont think Bsavage cares about dead Americans in Iraq.

That is obvious.

I think we are at a point now where reasoning with people who "claim" to be former Hillary supporters is now over.

If not then we might as well go and send emails to the McBlogger program admins and tell them that this site is a great training ground.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:35:02 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

Hey genius, I didnt start the war. Why dont you attack the person who did?


by bsavage on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:41:53 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

I didn't attack you, I just grouped you with the many Americans that don't give two shits about the troops.

I bet you agree with Charlie Black, the ends justify the means right?


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:47:57 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

Um, No.

I'm just a liberal Democrat who is pissed off at the Democratic nominee. What makes Obama different is his focus on a bumper sticker campaign. All the Dems that I have ever seen in my life focus on substance and real solutions. I just don't see how screaming "Hope" and "Change" over and over again is going to change the direction of this country.


by bsavage on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:54:03 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

Doh! Substance and real solutions? You ever think that maybe is why only three Dems have won since 1964? I would argue it is exactly why. The American people don't do nuance they like stuff they can understand in shorthand not longwinded ala Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, Mondale, McGovern and Humphrey.


by conspiracy on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 07:04:58 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

No but your candidate did vote for it. But enough, we are now returning to our regular programming of unity, unity, unity!


by conspiracy on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 07:06:56 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (2.00 / 1)

Garbage. NH was close last time and McCain will be running hard there. Oh, and last time I looked PA also voted for Kerry.


by conspiracy on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:18:34 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

"Kerry won NH in 2004.  It not a swing state."

By that (inane) logic, there are no swing states (since either a Democrat or a Republican won every state in 2004).

What an absolutely laughable notion.  But I guess when your mantra is "Whatever Obama is doing must be wrong!" you regularly embrace notions however nonsensical they may be.


by Collideascope on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 07:26:31 PM EST
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Re: Countdown To Unity (2.00 / 1)

Honorable politicians should not put "party unity" ahead of all other considerations.  I don't think Hillary Clinton believes that Barack Obama is committed to universal health care. (I certainly don't.)  She should use whatever influence she has to stiffen his spine.  He seems pretty malleable.

The Democratic Party doesn't need any more Obama rubber stamps.  


by Upstate Dem on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:46:44 PM EST

Re: Countdown To Unity (none / 0)

Honorable politicians should not put "party unity" ahead of all other considerations.

Hahahahaha

Honorable?

What century do you live in?

Oh dear, it's not their job to be honorable, their job is politics.

Wow, and I thought I was naive.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:50:18 PM EST
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