Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud

EBW and MBW of the highly respected Wampum blog have got their hands on the incident report summary referred to in Pacific John's widely-read Texas caucus report.

As one of the only remaining highly respected neutral voices in the liberal netroots, EBW says,

"[...] I have the original [incident report summary], and the affidavits in my possession, and I personally know the person who provided these documents to me, and who's last name is redacted along with the rest.

I have a higher degree of confidence in the provenance of the material and veracity of the existence of the events journaled in the incident report than I have of anything in the media, other than perhaps the report of yesterday's weather where I was an actual observer, or the date."

That's quite an endorsement. A sponsor of the Koufax Awards, and blogging partner of one of the original Gate Crashers, says,

"I have a higher degree of confidence in the provenance of the material and veracity of the existence of the events journaled in the incident report than I have of anything in the media [...]"

We can assume the affidavits contain the worst of the incidents listed in the summary, but all of the irregularities are troubling.

In all, we know about 40 precincts out of 170 with irregularities, ranging from false delegate counts, to false entries on sign-in sheets for Obama, to a few incidents following the statewide pattern of illegally taking or attempting to take caucus materials from elections judges. Like Greg Palast might say, it doesn't take much to change the outcome of an election. In El Paso, pro-Hillary volunteers seem to have protected the caucus results so they were similar to the popular vote, but that was not the case in most caucuses http://politics.nytimes.com/election-gui de/2008/results/states/TX.html .

As the original diary mentioned, only four big counties were orderly enough to report most of their caucus results, and in three of these, the popular vote and the caucus results were very similar.

The incident reports seem to have the worst incidents near the top of the list. Some of them include:

Precinct 56: a witness saw someone make false entries for Obama.  Clinton-supporting temporary officers had the convention seized from their control, and they were excluded from the process. It looks like out of state Obama supporters helped "elect" a new chair.

Precinct 45: a witness saw an Obama supporter making false entries. An Obama supporter announced that people should leave.

Precinct 61: heavily outnumbered Obama supporters controlled the precinct convention awarded 18 delegates to Obama and 16 delegates to Clinton in a precinct where there the preference was 89 Clinton, 16 Obama, 1 Richardson, and 2 uncommitted.

Precinct 71: At 7:05pm at the Precinct Convention, all of the voting for the primary was complete and all of the caucus goers were seated. ____ reported that the Obama chair waited an hour and said "we did not expect this many people so we will have to move" when no move was necessary. The chair said "just sign your name and address and then you can leave." When asked "what about our presidential preference?" the Obama chair replied "we don't have time for that...just write your name and address."

Precinct 36: an Obama supporter took control from a standing chair.  The witness reported that Republicans and out of state Obama supporters helped "elect" the new chair. The witness was ejected from the room when he tried to report this to the Texas Democratic Party.

Precinct 41: the attendees included a large number of African Americans who did not appear to be from El Paso. Some Obama supporters tried to have elderly voters write-in Obama as their preference.

Precinct 48: This may be the anecdote Pacific John wrote about.  According to the precinct captain, Obama organizers first tried to award the precinct to Obama via a show of hands. The actual preference was 74 Clinton, 33 Obama. The witness reported that she overheard an Obama organizer call in a false delegate count.

The reports go on and on.

It's no wonder that the Clinton campaign got in an early fight with the chair of the TDP (who by the way just endorsed Obama).

It's no wonder that the Clinton campaign got in an early fight with the chair of the TDP
(who by the way just endorsed Obama).

So a lot of folks are asking a pretty obvious question at this point - why didn't the press follow up on these two statements?

A footnote is that the letter Pacific John first wrote to a superdelagete he campaigned for (Representative Lois Capps), apparently had an effect. Rep. Capps was quoted on May 7, five days after her very public endorsement of Obama, that she was willing to change her endorsement to Hillary. That is a HUGE change, considering her son-in-law is Obama's National Press Secretary, and her daughter is the Communications Director for Ted Kennedy.  

[...] In fact, she said, she's prepared to change if the popular vote swings in the opposite direction.

There's no pep talk for super delegates, about how they should vote.  Capps said that she's been approached by her constituents and colleagues who want to talk to her about one candidate or the other.

"The super delegates should only ratify the popular vote," Capps said.  We should only confirm what the public wants.

"Some people believe that we should just listen to our hearts," she continued, "but really, we should all be speaking with the same voice.  I have endorsed Obama, but I have to be prepared to change my mind." http://www.newtimesslo.com/news/139/so-w hat-is-a-super-delegate/

I spoke with a few folks who are involved in collecting information on the problems with the caucuses in Texas, and one woman in particular is involved in hearing any challenges to the credentials issued by the party.  From what I understand, things are way out of balance down there regarding these challenges.

Remember earlier on in the campaign when people were accusing Hillary of "lawyering-up" her team in anticipation of playing a no-holds barred kind of primary fight?  Well the exact opposite seems to have occurred where these challenges are concerned and it seems to fit right in with that "Chicago smack-down" kind of politics we were promised last fall. It also follows a pattern set by Obama in his very first run at public office, when he sent a team of lawyers in to the registrar's office to challenge each and every signature on the petitions of his opponents.  Whether it was because someone signed their signature incorrectly (by printing rather than in cursive) or if the person collecting the signatures wasn't property registered, he managed to knock every one of his opponents off the ballot - including his main challenger, Alice Palmer.

Apparently, teams of lawyers go in to challenge Hillary's delegates, complete with Power Point presentations and everything.  Meanwhile, Hillary's folks are represented by everyday people like us - folks who saw problems or feel a need to speak up, and want to do the right thing.

The reason...?

No one expected Democrats to pull this kind of stuff (caucus irregularities or outright crimes) on other Democrats.  Or period for that matter.  Campaign staff and voters / caucus-goers were absolutely stunned at what they witnessed in Texas.  So the legal team didn't go into this with the idea that they'd have to deal with this kind of crap.

Just like in Michigan and Florida, BO's using everything at his disposal to make sure his opponent's supporters / voters don't get a voice at our party's convention this summer.  Only in this election could a guy hide from the voters of Michigan not once (taking his name off the ballot) - but twice (refusing to go along with a re-vote) and come away with not only the 55 delegates in "uncommitted" status, but also steal 4 of Hillary's delegates.

He's using every trick he can think of to disenfranchise voters and from what I've seen so far...

BO's about anything BUT inclusion and voting rights in this election.

Michigan.

Florida.

And now Texas.

So who'll be next you guys?



Display:


Is this question? (1.60 / 20)

Serious snark.


by Builderman on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:47:54 PM EST

Truth Hurts (1.76 / 17)

They broke the law down in TX.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:48:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Truth Hurts (1.53 / 15)


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:48:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That video sucked the first time (2.00 / 7)

please stop posting it.  of course now that I asked I'm sure you will again.


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:54:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Even better- if I could only find the original (1.46 / 13)


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:00:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Even better- if I could only find the original (2.00 / 5)

Gosh, Alegre, what's wrong with Carrie Underwood? Or just not an Eagles fan?


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:16:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

please (2.00 / 2)

stop.

This is just spamming and hijacking.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:27:59 AM EST
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Obama not responsible for alleged acts ???? (2.00 / 2)

Isn't that what Bush / Cheney / Rumsfeld said about Abu Graib (sp?) and Guantanamo?
It's always just a few bad apples, eh?
John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:30:45 AM EST
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Re: Obama not responsible for alleged acts ???? (none / 0)

Exactly!!! It's just a coincidence that "all this crap" was so widespread, and similar in nature.

There should be an investigation - "rules are rules".


by valleyboy on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:53:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Whitewater, cattle futures, travelgate (none / 0)

Wow, remind me what happened in the 90s and apply your own logic to that situation.

Hurts doesn't it?


by Regenman on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:39:49 AM EST
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Re: Obama not responsible for alleged acts ???? (2.00 / 1)

Ok you need it explained to you.

Clinton's Campaign was incompetent and outclassed at every level.  They admitted they did not even know the rules to the Texas Primary.  Since they were so clueless and incompetent, they were incapable of training supporters in the Caucus process.  The Obama camp was holding classes on how to conduct themselves and how the process worked.  These things were both reported on prior to the Texas Primary.

On the Primary day, the news organizations had a number of people, that supported both Obama and Clinton on TV complaining about the Caucuses.  The thing was all these people complaining admitted they had never been to a caucus before.  They did not understand the process. And felt intimidated, and excluded.  This is fairly typical of all the caucuses, even more so this year when we had record turnout, and record first time turnout of people that did not understand the process.  It was more pronounced on the Clinton side because her base of support, has been less educated, and less informed, compounded by the disorganization and incompetence of the national campaign.

I know people want to blame the other side.  But this notion of an organized criminal attack is absurd.  People had problems with the process because they did not understand it, and because of their lack of understanding they felt intimidated and that the process was being taken advantage of by those who did understand it.   Some people really like to be the victim, and this idea that the whole world is against them must be comforting for them.  I do not think the Texas law enforcement, or related agencies as well as all the media outlets have an Obama bias.  When a Clinton supporter contradicts you they are a Judas, when  a right wing person does it they are trying to steal the election for the weaker candidate, when an Obama supporter does it they are a cultists.   I am going to be really amused with the logic you are going to come up with how Hillary Clinton is betraying Hillary Clinton when she supports the Democratic Nominee.  Or are you holding out hope that she splits the party like the Taft/Teddy Roosevelt split did to the Republicans, resulting in the election of Wilson.


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 04:14:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

If you desire a video ... (1.40 / 10)


by bobdoleisevil on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:04:15 PM EST
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Sorry, I should have asked a serious (1.42 / 7)

question about whether or not he was being snarky. Then alegre wouldn't have trollrated me.


by bobdoleisevil on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:11:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Brilliant. (2.00 / 1)

I think you've just birthed a new message board meme.


by dystopianfuturetoday on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:05:01 AM EST
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Re: Truth Hurts (2.00 / 4)

They broke the rules when they erased your bad troll ratings.

Your turn.


by nightsweat on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:56:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Are they flying you to NYC (1.62 / 16)

are they flying you to NYC for Hill's concession?


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:59:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Are they flying you to NYC (1.80 / 10)

The deal the Clinton campaign is giving staff is either a ticket to NY or a ticket home. So if they go to NY, they have to pay for their return ticket.

Source: Andrea Mitchell, tonight.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:03:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Are they flying you to NYC (2.00 / 4)

They couldn't even get her into the RBC meeting, I doubt they will be hit up for airfare.  Methinks Sen. Clinton doesn't need to be embarassed.  I am hoping her concession involves grace and dignity, which I am assuming it will.


by gchaucer2 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:26:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hey! Where's the donation link? (1.88 / 9)

Where's the donation link you put on diary?

Is this a sign of the end?


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:19:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

good report (2.00 / 2)

and the caucus v primary results, which show that Clinton & Obama are very close in primaries, only reinforce the role of the obama supporters tactics in caucuses.  

SD and MT primaries should confirm the difficulty with teh caucus system where these abuses can occur, as the margin being close.  


by 4justice on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:08:08 AM EST
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Re: good report (none / 0)

Absolutely.  I noticed that all traces of the "40 buses w. 20 people each" story seem to have vanished from popular consciousness.  In early March, there was a lot more buzz about how Obama was sending volunteers from Illinois not only to help GoTV in caucus states, but to actually participate in the caucuses.  

It seems several of these incidents are now hardcoded as documented by the Texas affidavits.  It's not like we even need direct evidence at this point because we have so much circumstantial (which just as easily provides the basis of murder convictions).  

When you have 30+% swings in primaries versus caucuses in the same state (Nebraska, Idaho, Washington, and the 18% swing in Texas), you know something is fundamentally wrong.  0-4% would be reasonable.  5% or over raises eyebrows.  10% is on its face, bizarre.  20% is presumptive wrongdoing.  30% is unambiguous fraud.  

The beauty of this is the documenting of how the presence of safeguards and Hillary's legal team in the caucuses maintained results in near perfect alignment with the popular vote.  Where there was no oversight, we had Chicagoans pretending to be Texans and writing "Obama" in blank spaces.  

Without a doubt, this phenomenon isn't limited to Texas.  This is every caucus having bizarre margins, which means every caucus aside from Nevada.  


Young lifelong Democrat. One of over 3,000,000 voters who kicked McCain and Palin out of Pennsylvania, permanently.
by BPK80 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 05:37:23 AM EST
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Re: Truth Hurts (2.00 / 15)

You don't even live here.  No, I'm sorry, let me say that in a different way.

YOU DON'T EVEN LIVE HERE!

I'm so tired of your diaries trashing Texas based on hearsay.  No, a blogger's reputation is not deemed as evidence.  We have a process to address alleged abuse.  Someone in the precinct or the SD files a challenge and it is heard by the state credentials committee, which is completely balanced in terms of partiality towards Obama and Clinton.  There is a deadline to file a challenge.  If they didn't file the challenge by the deadline, then it's not admissible.  Period.  And even if they alleged abuse happened, no laws were broken.  Court precedence clearly indicates that political parties settle their own disputes within their own rules of governance.


by The Distillery on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:24:42 AM EST
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Re: Truth Hurts (none / 0)

Don't go confusing alegre with facts.


by interestedbystander on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 05:47:11 AM EST
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Re: Truth Hurts (2.00 / 7)

No alegre you are wrong again.  

They are alleged to have broken the law in Texas.

And you and the Clinton Campaign have no credibility when talking about Michigan and Florida and disenfranchisement.

Your doing a worse job of copy/pasting McCain emails than you used to do with Clinton emails.  Is he not paying you enough?


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:30:17 AM EST
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Re: Truth Hurts (1.00 / 1)

The Democratically elected candidate will not happen until Colorado - in August.  That is when the Super Delegates actually get to vote on their preferences.  Until then, their endorsements continue to be preferences, but not actual votes.  Those actual votes happen in Colorado in August.

Between now and then, all of the super delegates can change their minds.

If you are truly a Democrat, you would be wise to let this process run it's course.

To declare a winner before the convention, shoving it down our throats, before all the votes have been counted, is highly un-Democratic.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:25:07 AM EST
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Re: Truth Hurts (2.00 / 1)

Can you enlighten us to the last time this scenario played out, and the outcome for the GE?


by interestedbystander on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 05:45:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is this question? (2.00 / 12)

So why hasn't the Clinton campaign or a single TX elected official or Clinton TX superdelegate said a word about it?

Have they come down with a case of overwhelming shyness?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:54:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (1.83 / 12)

They broke the law in TX dammit.  It needs to be investigated.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:49:10 PM EST

You double posted this (2.00 / 2)

you may want to consider taking one of the two down.  I haven't gotten a chance to read it yet but I will.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:50:11 PM EST
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Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (2.00 / 6)

Oh my.  Calm down, Harriet.  It'll be over in a day.


by neonplaque on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:50:48 PM EST
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no, they didn't. (2.00 / 4)

sigh Alegre, Alegre.....I saw you at the hotel last weekend. I thought about approaching you but decided not to.


by slinkerwink on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:53:34 PM EST
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She is in last state of denial...n/t (1.40 / 5)


by shirley temple on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:03:50 PM EST
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Maryland is the state of denial, huh? (1.40 / 5)

Well, New Jersey beats that. It's the state of utter disgrace.


by bobdoleisevil on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:04:46 PM EST
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Re: no, they didn't. (1.50 / 16)

She works paycheck to paycheck, how'd she find time to attend? It's almost as if she actually lives in a McMansion in the DC suburbs and has an excess of free time.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:06:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: no, they didn't. (none / 0)

Some of us paycheck-to-paycheck types took Saturday off to attend the festivities.  How often does the circus come to town?


by Jay R on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:27:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Mojo Mojo (1.80 / 10)

Am I the only tipper tonight?

Come on everybody, tip tip tip

Is it possible that I'll be the only one giving the mojo?


by HillsMyGirl on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:55:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I love you (2.00 / 4)

and that's not snark.


by Builderman on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:57:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Mojo Mojo (2.00 / 2)


by Kysen on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:21:49 PM EST
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Not to mention (1.60 / 5)

That Texas has a whorehouse in it.  Lord have mercy on our souls.


by nightsweat on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:01:57 PM EST
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Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (1.50 / 8)

This diary is so full of shit it isn't even funny.  She ran a good race but she lost.  End of Story.  Instead of claiming Obama cheated, why not look at how Hillary FUCKED UP and didn't contest the FEB 5 small and caucus states, didn't hire strategy people who knew the rules and knew that big wins in small states offset medium or small wins in bigger states (see Kansas and New Jersey for Examples) and who didn't think in their original planning that California was a winner take all contest.  She lost because her campaign made the critical Feb 5 error and had no game plan AFTER that point.  Had they not made that error, she'd probably be the nominee.  So why not actually admit, Hillary and her campaign don't walk on water and made several critical mistakes, which is why she lost.

It was a well fought contest, but in the end Obama's strategy won out.  He ran up the score big time when necessary, something Hillary wasn't able to put into practice until May when it was too late.  He kept CDs close when needed to limit her wins.  His campaign out strategized hers and THAT is why he won.

Either turn your attention to the GE, JUST AS HILLARY IS PLANNING TO DO, or go to the Pro-McCain blogs and support the candidate other than Obama... Support the candidate who favors bombing iran, 100 more years in Iraq and overturning R v W.  But this BS is just getting ridiculous and is nothing but trolling.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:14:12 AM EST
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It was investigated (2.00 / 1)

I have a relative in the Texas Dem party that participated in the investigation.  Their verdict?  Most of the alleged 'fraud' was simply the result of a larger than expected number of caucus goers, many of them unfamilar with the process.  It should also be noted that incidents were reported by both sides.

This is a non-story.


by protothad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:47:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

That Rotten Obama (2.00 / 11)

The Texas Caucuses should be thrown out.

If Obama wants unity, he'll do this immediately and agree to be Hillary's VP.

Caucus states should not count.  Ridiculous.

Where's the tip jar so I can tip this positive diary?


by HillsMyGirl on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:49:13 PM EST

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (1.88 / 9)

Obama will just say or do anything to win.

He doesn't care about the rules.

He keeps changing his standards.

Shame on you Barack Obama.  Meet me in Puerto Rico.


by HillsMyGirl on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:50:39 PM EST

Getting desperate? (1.71 / 21)

You posted two copies of the same diary, made numerous spelling and grammatical errors, and focused on a particularly divisive and specious claim.

Heh. Gee, Alegre, the other Clinton supporters around here who stood up for their candidate, like sricki, canadian gal (who's not even American!), VAAlex, Rummarhazzit, so forth and so on, will actually have credibility and honor to look forward to after this is all done.

You? Not so much.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:52:11 PM EST

What are you talking about (1.90 / 10)

Obviously you are a Hillary basher.

Alegre has been the most effective voice for Hillary the past 4 months other than Mark Penn.  I include them both because I'm not sexist.


by HillsMyGirl on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:53:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What are you talking about (none / 0)

Gimmick accounts should be less obvious.


John McCain: Extending SCHIP would be an "unfunded liability."
by Fuzzy Dunlop on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:55:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I love gimmicks (2.00 / 4)

don't be a party poooper


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:58:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

OH NOES! (1.90 / 11)

TEH LOIYERS R CUMING!  RUN 4 UR LIVEZ!

In other news, you still haven't answered my questions: http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/31/2 33029/928/102#102


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:53:34 PM EST

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (2.00 / 1)

ummm there are a whole lot more than a 170 precincts


Matthew25Network.com
by cardboard 1 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:53:51 PM EST

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (1.00 / 1)

read the diary before posting


by trytobereal on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:08:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I am with you (2.00 / 2)

except for the assumption that Obama is responsible for it. Voter fraud is serious, and if this goes to court and gets prosecuted, great. But don't assume one candidate is necessarily behind it.


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:55:47 PM EST

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (2.00 / 8)

"The reason...?    No one expected Democrats to pull this kind of stuff"

Umm . . . kinda like one Democrat calling another Democrat an elitist?


by reggie23 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:56:00 PM EST

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (2.00 / 11)

Or one Democrat saying the Republican nominee is more qualified to be president than a fellow Democrat.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:04:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't forget the public shaming... (1.90 / 10)


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:05:37 PM EST
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Re: Don't forget the public shaming... (none / 0)

you mean for the lies promoted in that mailer authorized by BHO? Gosh what a scadal that she complained about it!


by trytobereal on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:10:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Don't forget the public shaming... (2.00 / 3)

Yeah - he said she said "boon" when she really said "good for New York and good for the United States.

Shame on him.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:49:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (2.00 / 1)

How about praising Ronald Reagan in the biggest ways possible and dissing Bill Clinton`s eight years every chance he could?  What a great thing for a democrat to do!  Another "uniter" for sure!


by mcctx on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:02:10 AM EST
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Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (2.00 / 1)

Who did that?


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:50:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (2.00 / 2)

Reagan did change the trajectory of America and the way people think about government, freedom, patriotism and a whole host of other things.  Until Democrats recognize that there's no hope for changing it.


by sneakers563 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:06:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Learn your history (none / 0)

Were you even alive in the 80s?  Do you have any understanding how this country felt after boycotting the Moscow Olympics and flubbing the hostage crisis?

For all my dislike of Reagan later on, I'd have to say he did stiffen the backbone of this country.

Just because I'm a Democrat doesn't mean I have to shut my brain off.


by Regenman on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:52:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Classic Ending (1.50 / 6)


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:56:35 PM EST

On the best source for texas political news (2.00 / 14)

there is no mention of this.

http://www.burntorangereport.com/

They know Texas politics and would mention this if it carried water.

Now I am off to go write another positive diary instead of getting involved in a flame war.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:56:40 PM EST

Re: On the best source for texas political news (2.00 / 0)

didn't bother to read the diary? or follow the links in it to burntorange.com? wow, such knee-jerking


by trytobereal on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:12:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The Burnt Orange Report has a letter... (none / 0)

from the Clinton campaign regarding what they believed are irregularities.  It does not have an incident report or any news of TDP challenges being heard.  If these caucuses were so unfair, why didn't the thousands of reporters combing the state see one incident of said cheating?


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:56:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The Burnt Orange Report has a letter... (none / 0)

Do you have a link for the diary with this letter?  I would love to read it.


by The Distillery on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:42:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It's the link in the diary n/t (none / 0)


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 03:40:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's the link in the diary n/t (none / 0)

No, I meant the BOR diary that states this.  I was assuming there was a different more recent one than the link Alegre provided.


by The Distillery on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:10:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No, that's the only mention BOR has (none / 0)

of any caucus fraud.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:24:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On the best source for texas political news (none / 0)

Try reading this site that was written on Huffingtonpost on March 7th.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-bell ows/clinton-claiming-widespre_b_89925.ht ml


by mcctx on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:36:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On the best source for texas political news (2.00 / 1)

And where is the evidence?  Because it's sure not in this diary, and it's sure not in your link.


by The Distillery on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:40:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On the best source for texas political news (2.00 / 4)

You're right. We haven't covered this because of a couple of reasons.

1) Most of it is like everything that came out of precinct conventions, wild accusations on both sides by people who don't really know how the process works

2) Legitimate complaints that are on such a small scale that they are in line with what should be expected by trying to plow 750,000 people through a process that wasn't built for even 200,000.

3) There have been credentials hears going on all week. El Paso for instance has already been resolved, where the committee overturned the gross mis-allocation done by the Clinton dominated county for at large delegates. San Antonio is working on a solution for a similar situation that will turn 10-12 delegates from Clinton to Obama based on at large calculations.  In Houston, the Obama folks simply gave Clinton 5 delegates to just avoid having a big debate about it all.

So in short, don't complain about the process or lawyers or one side simply working the solution end of this better. And unless you're doing anything with the credentials committee- all the posts in the world mean nothing.


Follow Texas Politics at Burnt Orange Report
by KTinTX on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:25:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

alegre, why won't you vote for the nom? (1.60 / 10)

I thought you were a Democrat. :^(


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:56:52 PM EST

Classic "End" (1.20 / 5)


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:57:09 PM EST

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (2.00 / 6)

sometimes the enthusiasms take some off the edge. They assume the other side is cheating and they have to cheat too.  It comes of poor leadership, inspiring cheating isn't good. Still, it's fairly normal, except for Hillary.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:57:27 PM EST

How dare you call Hillary a cheater!! (1.20 / 5)

that's just terrible!


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:02:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Can't you read (2.00 / 2)

It says 40 out of 170 WITH IRREGULARITIES

So there are 170 WITH IRREGULARITIES

So the irregularities clearly favored Obama in these 40 precincts.

As for the other 130, they overtly favored Obama.

It's all crystal clear to me.


by HillsMyGirl on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:57:32 PM EST

Did you post this diary twice? (2.00 / 14)

Well, as I said in the other:

Alegre, is this really going to win Hillary the nomination? At this point, discussing this seems pretty futile.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:57:58 PM EST

You're spamming your diaries now? (1.62 / 8)

It just kills you that you haven't gotten on the rec list with your troll diaries.  You should take a hint from the positive pro-Hillary diarists that have made it to the rec list.  You just don't have an audience for this crap anymore.


by Tenafly Viper on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:08:23 PM EST

Re: You're spamming your diaries now? (2.00 / 1)

Yeah- these are real positive.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:47:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

When do we read your diary on how (2.00 / 9)

Obama stole Wisconsin?




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:09:12 PM EST

Re: When do we read your diary on how (2.00 / 3)

I am actually looking forward to that one.  Please don't rain on my parade.

I also eagerly anticipate the District of Columbia shouldn't count because it's not a state diary.


by HillsMyGirl on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:27:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (2.00 / 1)




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:09:20 PM EST

Who's next?! (2.00 / 5)

How about the whole freakin' party???


by izarradar on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:10:31 PM EST

I know. The Lemon Party is all that's (2.00 / 1)

left for us decent, non-sexist, non-fraudulent non-Republican folk.


by bobdoleisevil on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:12:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I know. The Lemon Party is all that's (none / 0)

Ha, I told my friend to check out the Lemon Party while he was in the middle of a law school class.  He wasn't very happy with me.  


by reggie23 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:20:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Makes rickrolling seem tame in (none / 0)

comparison.


by bobdoleisevil on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:21:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Fuck it (2.00 / 3)

I'm reccing both.
From a Hillary supporter: We laughed as that became our mantra - "Barack can't win!"..... ....."he can go to hell and i'll pay for his way there."
by Cochrane on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:14:15 PM EST

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (1.00 / 1)


by Kysen on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:19:06 PM EST

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (none / 0)

TR'd!?!?!
Too funny.  :)
Don't Hassle the Hoff!!
by Kysen on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:29:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Someone (I suspect the Obamabots in admin) (1.81 / 11)

has deleted alegre's other diary. With malice aforethought, I tell you. With malice aforethought!


by bobdoleisevil on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:19:18 PM EST

Re: Someone (I suspect the Obamabots in admin) (2.00 / 7)

Dammit, I really wanted both diaries to make it to the rec list.  That would have been a monumental day in Mydd history.  


by reggie23 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:22:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Someone (I suspect the Obamabots in admin) (2.00 / 3)

It's not too late.  Maybe alegre can copy and paste this one.


by haystax calhoun on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:26:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Indeed (2.00 / 7)

I am very disappointed that the administration deleted that diary.

It's just another example of the Pro Obama slant at this site and the media that Bill Clinton spoke about.


by HillsMyGirl on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:23:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You're spamming your own diaries now?? (1.50 / 4)

It just kills you that you haven't gotten on the rec list with your troll diaries.  You should take a hint from the positive pro-Hillary diarists that have made it to the rec list.  You just don't have an audience for this crap anymore.


by Tenafly Viper on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:19:22 PM EST

Re: You're spamming your own diaries now?? (2.00 / 5)

Hey!  What do you mean she has no audience?  I tipped her jar.  I gave her mojo.

Granted I am the only one to have done so but are you saying that I'm a nobody?

Now if she loses me, well ----------


by HillsMyGirl on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:24:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (2.00 / 9)

I've worked credentials at state party conventions and there are always complaints.  They get worked out by the credentials committee.

BTW, that's why there are rules like those in the Chicago petitions you complain about, which require the person adding her name to the petition to both sign it and print it. That way you avoid fraud because you can check the signature on file and read the printed name.

And why do you claim that website as a neutral observer, when it's clearly anything but neutral?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:30:53 PM EST

if it's a problem,where is the Clinton campaign? (2.00 / 7)

You ask why the press doesn't talk about this, but they surely would if Ickes or someone else from the Clinton campaign did.

So why don't they if there is truly is a problem that they can establish?  Surely they are not timid folks.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:33:11 PM EST

Reason: Texas Dem. Party! (none / 0)

Because the TDP officials threatened the Clinton campaign before, during and after the primary and caucus on March 4th.  I live in Texas and saw and heard it with my own ears and eyes.

After the TX primary and caucus, even the republican editorial board of the Dallas Morning News stated that the Texas Two-step should be abolished now!


by mcctx on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:23:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

How did they threaten the campaign? (2.00 / 2)

Are you trying to honestly tell me that some measly Texas state party official or chairman has the courage to threaten Hillary Clinton?  What with?  Clnton is a former first lady and Senator from New York, but some no-name party official has the guts to threaten her?  At some point, these talking points become ridiculous on their face.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:02:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

So, this ends tomorrow or Weds.? Maybe not. (2.00 / 4)


Austin American-Statesman: Garry Mauro, who's steered Sen. Hillary Clinton's Texas presidential campaign, insists that regardless of what happens in Tuesday's primaries in South Dakota and Montana (where Mauro has been chasing votes for Clinton like the twenty-something activist that he's not), Clinton won't quit her chase of the nomination against Sen. Barack Obama by this weekend.

"She is not quitting," said Mauro, who has known the candidate since they worked for Democrats in Texas in 1972.

Furthermore, Mauro said, he expects Sen. Clinton or Bill Clinton to speak at this weekend's Texas Democratic Party state convention in Austin. "One of the two will be there; I don't think there's any doubt," Mauro said, noting that Sen. Clinton had earlier told him personally she'd see him back in Texas.

"We're not quitting before the state convention" Friday and Saturday, Mauro said. "I can tell you that unequivacably. She is not going to concede."


by bobswern on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:41:08 PM EST

Indeed (2.00 / 3)

Thank you for checking BOR, it is the site for Texas political news and if this had credibility it will be talked about there.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:52:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Apparently...you think you know more... (2.00 / 3)

...than the Austin American Statesman.

Because they thought it was noteworthy.

Feeling pretty good about yourself tonight, I see.


by bobswern on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:00:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (2.00 / 1)

Our friend from no25cents

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/31/ thou-shalt-not-steal-updated/

here is sum blue's fer ya alegre

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAvlYLCYO DU&feature=related


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:44:01 PM EST

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (2.00 / 5)

Yeah - She may stay in through the TX convention. But note that neither Clinton nor Mauro make any claims about fraud, which is the core claim of this diary.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:45:01 PM EST

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (1.00 / 2)

Damn!  More Republican troll poo down here at the bottom of the diary also.  This is the second time tonight!

Fear not! The Fearless Tracker will follow the trail of spore back to it's source.

In the mean time, could y'all stop shitting on me down here?


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:49:42 PM EST

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (1.75 / 4)

This is just flat out not true, that website was totally a Hillary echo chamber.    The diarist is now jumping the shark over the last dying dog.


A vote for John McCain is a vote against Hillary Clinton
by realistdem on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:49:53 PM EST

Well, now we have (1.81 / 11)

three pro-McCain diaries on the rec list.  Good job destroying the site.


by gchaucer2 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:52:57 PM EST

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (2.00 / 4)

Alegre, can't you admit at least a little bit that the Clinton will not be the nominee primarily because she ran a bad campaign.  I'll take your silence to my comment as tacit agreement.  


by reggie23 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:56:56 PM EST

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (2.00 / 1)

Is The Campaign really that important - "bad campagn" in light of what? Relentless media bias that ignored every false and misleading statement out of Obama's and his supporters' mouths, right up to "she was the only one on the ballot in Michigan!"

In contrast, The Campaign is about all Obama seems truly prepared for, as his policies are so vague, and yet he seems so ready to scheme and manipulate the rules to win, just like he has done from the beginning of his political career.

I am more interested in who will Govern best, and there's no doubt it's Clinton.


by valleyboy on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:29:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes, a bad campaign. (2.00 / 3)

Keep in mind that she was the inevitable candidate that started out with 100 SDs in her pocket and the party system behind her so here we go ...... ignored caucasus (Iowa killed her) and red states allowing Obama to amass uncontested delegates,  questioned whether those states counted angering SDs and voters from those states, allowed the prisoner (Penn) to to run the asylum in her campaign including keeping him after the Columbia fiasco, assumed the nomination would be over Super Tuesday, did not plan for primaries after Super Tuesday, willfully ignored some states in Feb allowing Obama to reel off 11 in a row, her campaign has fallen at least $20 mil (probably over $30 mil now) in debt, failed to pay vendors causing needless bad press, openly allowed bickering and in-fighting to go on between the head honchos of her campaign, hired a consultant that thought primaries were winner take all, needless gaffes such as Tuzla, etc, etc, etc, ......I can name more if you'd like me to.  The only proof I have of how she'll govern is by looking at how she ran her campaign which, to me, looked like she was woefully unprepared.


by reggie23 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:54:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (1.75 / 4)

This Diary?
FAIL...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLVCmqSAf Bs


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:00:14 AM EST

I am curious (none / 0)

I wrote out an incident report for my 2 precincts in Houston, but they were submitted to HRC campaign because I did not know who to submit them to.

Is/was there a special place to go to submit these?

I had never heard back.


by nikkid on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:01:12 AM EST

Re: I am curious (2.00 / 2)

1. You only have 1 precinct, not 2.

2. Your first action should have been to file a challenge in your precinct back in March.  You can report that challenge to your respective candidate's campaign, but they have no recourse.  They can provide campaign lawyers to help you with the challenge, but it is your responsibility to detail the challenge to your county party.  If you neglected to file a challenge, then you have no recourse.  An "incident report" filed to a campaign is not a recognized challenge in the Democratic Party, let alone the Texas Democratic Party.


by The Distillery on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:05:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Updates Re Texas Caucus Fraud (2.00 / 2<